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Ah, this one actually brings back memories... I remember first learning about Dr. Craig's "intrinsic defeater-defeater" idea maybe a decade ago. Here's how it goes:

"....not only should I continue to have faith in God on the basis of the Spirit's witness even if all the arguments for His existence were refuted, but I should continue to have faith in God even in the face of objections which I cannot at that time answer. The first claim is not really all that radical: I think most theologians, not to mention ordinary believers, would say that arguments of natural theology are not necessary in order for faith in God to be rational. In the absence of some argument for the truth of atheism, I can be perfectly rational to believe in God on the basis of the Spirit's witness. What I'm claiming is that even in the face of evidence against God which we cannot refute, we ought to believe in God on the basis of His Spirit's witness. Apostasy is never the rational obligation of any believer, nor is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. God can be trusted to provide such powerful warrant for the great truths of the Gospel that we will never be rationally obliged to reject or desert Him." (https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/question-answer/the-witness-of-the-spirit-as-an-intrinsic-defeater-defeater)

And somewhere else: "the witness of the Holy Spirit may be an intrinsic defeater-defeater, that is to say, a belief which is so powerfully warranted that it overwhelms the potential defeaters brought against it. While this claim is not essential to Reformed epistemology, it seems to me to be wholly plausible. Why couldn’t an omnipotent God so powerfully warrant belief in Himself that the believer regardless of his situation remains warranted in holding to his properly basic belief in God? What’s the problem supposed to be?" (https://www.biola.edu/blogs/good-book-blog/2016/properly-understanding-properly-basic-beliefs)

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One more into the collection. I mean, just for the hell of it.

This time it's Dr. Randal Rauser (whom I like and respect):

"Now, I will admit, I look throughout history and think, yeah, many people have thought torture was morally okay. That gives me at least some reason to consider a fallibilist thesis - that I am, in fact, in error about these moral intuitions. Although you always have to ask the question: are those counterarguments stronger than your intuition?

If a person cannot persuade - if they cannot provide sufficiently strong arguments to undercut a fundamental moral position you have - well, then you're morally justified in retaining that position. If you encounter David Boonin, and David Boonin has very strong pro-choice arguments, and yet to you it just fundamentally seems like abortion is morally unjustified, if not murder, you should take David Boonin's argument seriously. But I think that you are morally justified in continuing to think that abortion is morally wrong, even if you cannot rebut David Boonin's arguments, simply because of the strength of those moral intuitions.

I wonder if Ethan would agree with that. I wonder if you think that people who cannot - let's say the average lay Catholic who encounters an objection from David Boonin - if they think they don't have a good argument for that, should they, in that epistemic moment, when they don't have access to some great philosopher from the Catholic tradition to counter David Boonin, be in a position where they should abandon their moral judgment about the wrongness of abortion? Or should they retain that conviction because of the strength of that moral intuition?” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElNa57BVWzQ ;11:56)

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