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Nicholas Duggan's avatar

Really good read. I especially liked your point at the beginning - "I don’t think miracle claims rise to the level of sufficient plausibility to be worthy of serious investigation or discussion by most people."

I've been thinking about that in connection with the Schmid conversion recently. There's an argument that Christians make which looks something like: "if we can convert an atheist/agnostic who has spent years investigating the truth of our religion, that's a sign of how strong our arguments are."

But I think it runs the other way: somebody who spends years investigating the truth of a religion probably already finds the religion plausible enough to justify the investigation. And it's by no means self-evident that a serious philosopher or thinker would have to regard any religion as plausible enough to warrant that degree of effort; or even that a philosopher would have to regard religion as an object of philosophy at all, alongside the primary objects like knowledge or ethics.

Of course, that risks entering into a kind of closed circle where you dismiss religion on insufficient grounds, and then don't consider the evidence when it's presented. But I think you're right in general that a lack of interest can be the result of prior experience or understanding, not merely of prejudice - with the question just being the strength or validity of that prior experience and understanding.

Tudor Marginean's avatar

As many people pointed out, you need some specific skills to evaluate miracle claims and come up with a specific, tailored debunking story, or to evaluate them and decide they are credible. I'm not in the habit of dunking on analytic philosophers, but I'm not confident that their skills are the best fit for such a task. So when Joe Schmid said he was convinced by miracle claims my reaction was not "oh, so they might be legit, if a smart guy like Joe thinks they are legit". I remember one of your livestreams, when someone called you and asked you whether you can look into some eucharistic miracle. In retrospective, that was very funny.

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