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Rationally Motivated's avatar

I share this sentiment. I was a bit spooked at first when I became aware of all these different marian apparitions and eucharistic miracles and whatnot, but after some examination I no longer have even a bit of doubt that it's pretty much all bullshit.

Nicholas Duggan's avatar

Really good read. I especially liked your point at the beginning - "I don’t think miracle claims rise to the level of sufficient plausibility to be worthy of serious investigation or discussion by most people."

I've been thinking about that in connection with the Schmid conversion recently. There's an argument that Christians make which looks something like: "if we can convert an atheist/agnostic who has spent years investigating the truth of our religion, that's a sign of how strong our arguments are."

But I think it runs the other way: somebody who spends years investigating the truth of a religion probably already finds the religion plausible enough to justify the investigation. And it's by no means self-evident that a serious philosopher or thinker would have to regard any religion as plausible enough to warrant that degree of effort; or even that a philosopher would have to regard religion as an object of philosophy at all, alongside the primary objects like knowledge or ethics.

Of course, that risks entering into a kind of closed circle where you dismiss religion on insufficient grounds, and then don't consider the evidence when it's presented. But I think you're right in general that a lack of interest can be the result of prior experience or understanding, not merely of prejudice - with the question just being the strength or validity of that prior experience and understanding.

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