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Zinbiel's avatar

This essay includes the claim "I'm not a physicalist". Is that an editing mishap?

Lance S. Bush's avatar

Are you asking whether I mistakenly said I wasn't a physicalist?

Zinbiel's avatar

That was one passing thought, but I see that's not the case.

You seem to have many physicalist-friendly beliefs, so I was not sure where you stood. I suspect it would be clearer if I had read more of your stuff.

Lance S. Bush's avatar

Sorry, I didn't see this response. I am not a physicalist. I'm an empiricist and a pragmatist. I don't think there's some specific fundamental nature to reality. My views tend to be in practice quite similar to naturalists/physicalists but I don't endorse either view and tend to eschew as many analytic labels as I can.

Va1tm's avatar

I once had a professor who, when asked if he would "bite the bullet" on a desideratum held only by his dialectical opponent, replied "I'll bite all of the bullets, because to me they aren't bullets, they're sweet, sweet candies." And that really stuck with me.

Lance S. Bush's avatar

Precisely. I recently heard Nathan Ormond (Digital Gnosis) describe some of what philosophers do as "narrative control." I think this is apt. They craft a narrative and imply this or that position is illegitimate or should be discarded accordingly.

Va1tm's avatar

That's a good term for it. Philosophers also control the narrative by arguing over which theory "captures all the data," where what a defines a legitimate datum is assumed rather than argued for. And if I reject too much of the "starting data" I'm told I'm "talking about something different."

Lance S. Bush's avatar

Russ Shafer-Landau and colleagues have been doing this with moral realism recently, talking about the "data."

Va1tm's avatar

Is the use of the term “data” supposed to be literal or metaphorical? If literal, I suspect that the past few decades of work in the philosophy of science on the theory- and value-ladenness of measurement would pose an epistemic problem to the moral realist. I don’t think the philosopher of science thinks we can abstract away from that contextuality; would the moral realist think we’d have to?

Lance S. Bush's avatar

I don't know if it's supposed to be literal or metaphorical. It seems very strange to use that term to me. What's especially strange is that the methods they employ rarely engage with any empirical data. So the "data" they are working with doesn't appear to be based, for the most part, on any systematic efforts to obtain empirical information.

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Lance S. Bush's avatar

That's certainly charitable but I am not sure how accurate it is. It would be one thing to say that a view is unpopular among some group that you yourself don't belong to, but it's quite another to say that you are "paying a cost" to hold a view. This implies that you yourself have tacitly agreed, or at the very least that they are correct about some matter you don't necessarily agree to. So, if someone thinks there's a presumption in favor of a position, and I deny it, in saying I am "biting the bullet," I am allegedly "paying a cost": giving up something *I* supposedly want or should want.