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Quiop's avatar

>"What ordinary people mean by consciousness ARE the phenomenal properties."

>"even if they have some notion, it would appear to differ from what philosophers have in mind."

I wonder whether the impasse that you often find yourself reaching in these conversations might come about because you are thinking in terms of an internalist account of meaning and mental content, while your interlocutors are thinking in terms of an externalist account. On an externalist account, it is possible for ordinary people to "mean" something by a term even if that meaning is not what they "have in mind" (e.g. the classic externalist position that the English word "water" meant H2O, even before hydrogen or oxygen had been discovered).

I suspect you may be unsympathetic to these forms of externalism, but they are very popular among analytic philosophers (27% "accept" / 31% "lean towards" mental content externalism in 2020 Philpapers Survey). Next time you are in one of these debates it might be worth highlighting the issue — it may be that one reason people are arguing with you about what "consciousness" means is be that they disagree with you about what "means" means.

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J. Goard's avatar

It's frustrating indeed, trying to explain that, yes, I have naive intuitions about phenomenal consciousness, but they're *much* less strong that many other of my naive intuitions that have been overridden, e.g. "the Earth is still and the Sun crosses over it each day", "oysters and humans could not share a common ancestor", "there are fewer permutations of a standard deck of cards than grains of sand in the Sahara".

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